"It's not reliable, because all abeşcesc, but nobody does."
Ciuciuleni beginning of September. On weekends, Valentina Ursu microphone RFE Moldova took deep pulse. Moldovans
Why not come to vote? Central Election Commission Secretary, Iurie Hammer said that the electoral authority was caught in the activity related to changes in electoral law urgent, so it was not dedicated enough to inform the population on the constitutional referendum on September 5. Observers say political parties in the Alliance for European Integration have not worked enough a good result at the plebiscite. May I say that the Communist Party is still strong. But, in their view, it is also true that citizens have their share of blame, as they show indifference to their future .
early parliamentary elections could be held on 21 November. The decision belongs to the leaders of AEI, who recommended Ghimpu interim president during a meeting of the ruling coalition, to dissolve the current legislature and to publicly announce the date of the new election.
Ciuciuleni,
Free Europe sought to take the pulse of the province before and after the referendum on early elections.
RFE / RL: You were in the referendum? - "I was. Because we unijiţi and deceived. "
- copchii took me by the hand, but what I did there, I do not know."
RFE / RL: You were in the referendum? - "Well I do not know what that means.
Negramotnîi .
Malogramotnîi . "
Free Europe: You have been in the referendum? - "Where in the referendum?"
- "In voting, aunt."
- "Oh, I was first picked Perja and then I went to the polls."
RFE / RL: And what would you vote for? - "Well, me. But why, whom to vote? "
-" People do not understand the village, I AIST referendum. He believes that something is eating. I even asked in the referendum were you? Yes. And why did you vote? I do not know. I gave my puie there, but I do not know why. You must explain to the peasants, what referendum? Eat or drink. He knows? I do not know. "
RFE / RL: Tell, please, you were in the referendum? - "I was. Let the fucking thing once in this Republic. "
RFE / RL: Why have you voted? - "I voted for a new future more beautiful, more bright."
RFE / RL: The report was not written for the beautiful and bright future. - "I voted in November, all over the place will be okay. The Parliament, the courts, corruption is not. "
-" The Communists have walked through the village and bustling people. Even when the elections went. They sat there and said what are you going? What are you doing? Looking on the hell? IACA were damaged relations with Russia, do not get fruit, do not get wine. Here are the reasons for this, you know, that still hits the peasant soul. "
RFE / RL: You went to a referendum? - "No."
RFE / RL: Why do many people here, from Ciuciuleni, did was? - "Such were informed. There he went to work properly. And city hall. "
-" They did boycott. Corocee, was a mayor that boycott. She made a great propaganda. She put half of the village to the ground. He gave Piva, brandy, wine. "
RFE / RL: And? I drink a glass of wine and ready? I do what someone else says? - bought it. Saru and the National
ucsus sladchii . "
RFE / RL: Even a man can be bought with a glass of wine? - "Well, with a cigarette. I'm so, which is given to provocation. "
-" I give one hundred grams and him, her, tamper Masi. Who would not be. Ista next to you and said, let's drink a hundred grams and you can vote you need. That our mayor, she thought only to make her interest. In our world's poor hard. World umbă, well, that I may have a piece of bread, a love apple. But the rest of us do not know about politics. "
RFE / RL: What was the referendum question? - "In November, the referendum was no question here. I did not know where to put Pece. And I asked the other, saying: Well, what do I do with Pece that? "
RFE / RL: And where you put the stamp? - "Well, you do not say this now on me."
RFE / RL: What is the Moldovan indifference? - "This was not indifference. Our Alliance gave a fuck up. I shall adopt a partaker, IS body and soul for this. But before a referendum in the agitation that had been made. They were very convinced that the world, because surveys the, the world would come out. And IACA were lying on one ear, so to speak. "
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low rate of participation in the referendum of September 5 is due to insufficient information attributes on its importance. They said it ordinary people, with whom he discussed
Free Europe in rural areas. Ciuciuleni, a village located 50 kilometers from the capital, residents contend that they have lost confidence in politicians, so do not see the point voter participation in elections. They were so sick of political instability, and what they really want are higher wages, jobs and a better life.
- "I do not know, he will find any one on earth, and to look upon the village? We increased the pension four lei. For shame. IACA 700 the other day that I have given the drug. Yes a car is 6000 lei wood. Yes a ton of coal is 2000 lei. What do I do with those 600 lei? Say "
-" What, we have reduced pensions. Before we gave 19 percent, four percent. I do not know how to us is chaos. "
-" If they are so rich, why not share their riches with the world? "
RFE / RL: Why came into poverty? Why people are so desperate? Why the world is so lost? - "I do not know, do not know."
- "IACA, I shall adopt a teacher. I have had hours, now I have put hours. They are retired now. Materials are not satisfy. I'm not so much money, how to say, they were on time. Next, I'm ten rubles went to Chisinau, I bought my there and sausages, and bread, and the road paid, and all that. Yes I do now? "
- IACA now pick grapes. Who is it for us? 80 kopecks to give grapes? Neither the communists nor democrats, absolutely nobody to us. All SOEs to juveniles. "
RFE / RL: The world has lost confidence? - has lost all confidence. Who's the clever peasants? Nobody, absolutely nobody. All, before coming to power, they say, that yes, we do so, we will do so. But when the AMU, after sitting on chairs, ready. He looked to the peasants, called swindle. Peasants, sit. But why do not you know that You dig and go up the hill? But why do I do with production far? Who is it for us? "
-" Yes IACA grapes sits in the cellars of the year. What to do with her? Now, if you pick grapes Iara, what to do? "
RFE / RL: You have confidence in him? - "In God, forgive me. And my tiny pension. I do not get medicines. 300 lei pair of glasses. Is operated in both eyes. "
RFE / RL: The election will go? - "Yes. Let's see again what happens. Other good not wait. "
-" Do not you know today, indeed, who can vote. That's not reliable, because all abeşcesc, but nobody does. "
-" People have lost all confidence. They promised that they make gas. IACA people must pay to put gas. They have promised to bring water. People were given 300 euros each to bring them water. Water have not made the money they made pocket and go and search for it on the money. They have promised roads, roads have never done. The village looks absolutely not at all. They are only creslă. "
-" Each party to fulfill the program that it gives people. But this, all promise and no one had done anything. "
RFE / RL: How to vote? What is voting? Knows? - "What and how."
RFE / RL: In whom you trust? - "I have a party he, indeed, is for naroda. "
RFE / RL: How do you know he's for the people? - IACA Then we can not find them. Each keep his skin, excuse me the expression. Only to see the chair and ready. "
-" I'm Me, that they need to fill their pockets and provides care man. Here is all this crisis. If he cares for people, not the people taking care of the party. "
RFE / RL: How many games are there? - Filat Lupu, Voronin Aist, like him again says, and Ghimpu. "
-" No, not the party Ghimpu belongs to the party, but his grandchild e. And people do not know where to go. Come on, well. Where I say, there they go. "
RFE / RL: How many games are there? - "I do not know."
- "I do not know, I can not say yes, and a bunch of games. It should be only two parties. And second, one win. As in America - is two games. And who wins a beam, to win another beam. But I do work. Give us what? They do nothing. "
RFE
Fri elections, you'll go to elections? - "We will go, but we will go directly to those, who consider the world will do well."
Free Europe: Who and why? - "What's the Parliament. Who consider that they want to get into the soft seat, thinking to be soft and human. But when it's only for him, then we'll stay good skin. "
RFE / RL: Do you independed who will be in power? - "Let there be for people to be and government. "
RFE / RL: Who makes a difference you will come to power? - "I do not know how to say. Yes, I'm the same. But to be for the people. But this only put them in loose stools and all. "
RFE / RL: How many games are there? In the party you trust? The state structures do you think? - "Yes we have lost all confidence in all parties. What were the power, we did not have one. "
Free Europe: Poverty press? - "Yes,-amu not know how."
- Ghimpu Lord, if he is in power, why? He still confuses us, lest we go to Russia with production. Yeah what now? Where to go? In Romanian? Romania welcomes us? "
-" tooth is understanding, for example Europe, who's there. We get along well - more people, us if we give to you, then it is clear that it breaks relations with Russia. Yes November the former's relations with Russia and those we do not yet understand. So is it done? "
- "Let's not blestămăm one, which gave land to the peasants. May troubled world country! And no one believes. Before the elections, comes as a Greer and moving slightly away, just as their lips is a young, forgive me the word. And then does not return anyone to a peasant. Now give perjele nowhere. We give them money in 80, or a lion. We have no where da grapes. People complain about the hill. Bring someone in Parliament to see the hills - all shall adopt fallow lands. What to eat tomorrow, the day after tomorrow? Yes the world is very troubled. The world does not live with that, he has to eat. Not that is why he is struggling, poor. Does a bird, indeed, calculate the final that he has flesh has. But as they struggle. IACA look like this woman stands frozen for days, to give a lion kilogram of watermelon. What iesă them? Da-an expensive gasoline. That means, that turned his face from peasant? The world has no confidence as MPs. They sit there and scold. It would be a single party, that would really work. But if you have more, and you shall adopt some dogs, argue that the fence. "
RFE / RL: If there are so many problems, the world becomes more indifferent? I do not care about anything? - "Yes. Yes. IACA for so the world loses confidence and becomes indifferent. He says yes and leave me your choices, and everything. Here, before the election, they come and I promise all the sea and salt. Huddle on the market, just as newspapers do, to bear. "
RFE / RL: Well, but then Your Why do not they ask questions? - Dapo put them. And he says: how you choose our party, I shall adopt its representative, to see that you do roads, we'll draw water, put your gas. After that do not see anyone. All have disappeared, their search for their hatchery there and that's that. And I tortured you, I have given land. "
-" It's a eGOS between people. A jealous. This is strong here in the village. That men shall adopt introvert, that's right. And everyone thinks only of himself. Maybe it's time I do not know, but always be nearby to take care of you. "
-" I shall adopt a democracy. "
RFE / RL: But the world wants democracy? Freedom? I understand this concept? - "People want, but do not know politics. AIST take an old man, ask him IACA Morning. One said he was fine with the Communists. Yes, estestvena, one was well when he was then, yes cela amu is not good. "
-" Communists apart. Not talk with them in November. They did their job and reach. "
RFE / RL: But the world remains divided, divided? - remains, for now. Because it did not go any agitation so that people understand that we must elect the president by direct vote. "
RFE / RL: And now you think that if elected by Parliament, will overcome this crisis Legislative next? - "I think not. For that to be split between Alliance over again. "
Europe RL: Why do you think will be divisive? - "So. Because it goes all the time to head battle between the state party leaders. "
RFE / RL: What do you think the world? It's indifferent? It's more recklessly? - "Very indifferent. Poverty does not mention it, it's as the world. "
-" I do not believe in a thing. It shall adopt amăgeli. "
RFE / RL: And the world has become indifferent? - "It's so. From now every man for him. Yes all hope that it will be a driver to get us out of the deadlock ist. "
-" But why, you do not vote on cela and gives you nothing, so cela. Yes he leaves! No one. That's better. Ehe, so what? "
Free Europe: Politicians inspires your confidence?
- "Yes what is that? I do not know what that means, politicians. "
RFE / RL: The election will go, when will it be? - "I'll go. Let's see who will win and even the one to do next. "
RFE / RL: It means that hope has not died? - "No. We hope. "
Moldovans it just went bad and when they themselves chose their president, but in recent years, when he is elected by Members of Parliament. If there is no difference, they left the politicians to make the choice. For ordinary people are concerned with one interest - that of survival. Here's interim president explains Ghimpu aceastră indifference, which nestled in mind Moldavian.
Ghimpu : "It is a remnant of the Moldovan Sovietism tsarism and that others will solve the problem. That Czar Nicholas, that the Secretary Brezhnev. On the one hand. On the other hand, people who in any case - and the Tsar, and communism, and democracy - they solve their problems and their juveniles are not interested in the lives of all citizens, political stability, economic. Well, they work with money. In all periods. "
RFE / RL: But you do that it's raining, when deciding the fate of the country? Ghimpu : "Here's the problem, when I say that it is these people who cry that oh, we want to get rid of the communists, then hop, I escaped and they need more. Communism is not demolished in one day and one night. These are very deep roots. Not just from the years 2001-2009. That 's in 1917 in Russia, and November 1940. They are very deep roots. The deepest roots are in the minds of citizens, which no You can knock them possibly even the cemetery. "
Free Europe: Indifference to be fueled by distrust in politicians?
Ghimpu : "There are a percentage of people. But you can not put them all in one basket. As a village, if you drink one, not the whole village is drunk. There can not be so. And after all, this was a referendum. It's changing the way of choice. Come on, that if you do not like one, then iai attitude towards him, when there are elections, "for" or "against". But rather be indifferent to the crisis, you know that one year we have this crisis. There are some situations that some people like to be a crisis, because they take advantage of the crisis. "
RFE: Poverty, understand that it makes some indifferent? Ghimpu : "Yes."
RFE / RL: And you think about their problems.
Ghimpu : "Yes. Poverty yes. Poverty is true, unfortunately, some brought in so that he no longer believes changing. And they say, whoever is not in power, would not choose as president, I do not escape poverty. But sin, that does not understand this thing, because only together can we overcome poverty one if you can not overcome alone. Because some people have by nature, they gave them to support themselves, others do not. And when government intervention is needed, somehow help create jobs. Several things are here. "
RFE / RL: But the spiritual crisis, the moral is deeper than the economic crisis? Ghimpu
: "How spiritual crisis in our people, the poor, they have no idea what it means? I believe that intellectuals have participated in the referendum, however. We show the percentage, say voters Alliance. They are the people aware. It is the other side did not participate, to Communists and undecided voters. Undecided are just poor, that whoever would understand by now that no longer helps anyone came into indifference, unfortunately. "
RFE / RL: How do you feed a hope? Let stand at the next elections? Ghimpu : "I believe that they only change for the better, just to see that things have moved and then to wake to life. Occur when a motivation for others to say - if he changed, and I mean that it can be. That means that there must be some pension increases, opening of businesses, jobs, salaries, on the countryside. But this can not happen without political stability and that they do not understand, unfortunately. And I'm sorry. "
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George Sarbu is one of the few businessmen in the village Onesti Hincesti. He believes independed referendum to be forecasted well in advance.
Gheorghe Sarbu: "Those who support the Communist Party are more dogmatic. That is her unconditional support. If, for instance, for example they say that we must unite with Russia-Belarus union, so nobody gets mad - it's normal. If someone says democratic parties, that we must unite with the European Union, to be closer to Romania, that is very dangerous. No way. And those who support the democratic parties are people who still have some complaints. With them not just to talk, you have to understand them. And there is one thing, you know, were people who suffered because of the principle dancer. After our income was not clearly taken into account. They have simply been ignored, marginalized. "
RFE / RL: What mood now prevails in the village? The world is even more disappointed? World awaits election? How is it? It aggravates the situation? It's all so tense? It's less tense?
Gheorghe Sarbu: "There is more languished. Man has often provoked, or persuaded, or should it be interesting what was not. For example, we absolutely never, never been gathered and local council to discuss: Well, what do we do? May need to go in town, talked to more people. "
RFE / RL: But in contrast, places much of the Communist councilors have always called for a boycott. Gheorghe Sarbu : "Yes, yes, yes. They came out three. Even local mayors had to be more active to keep the lists were made. For many people it's really gone. And for decades is gone, who simply remained in the lists, but they never come to the elections. Besides these, there are several things. You know why the world is indifferent. In the last government, for example, could lead to man 10 times to go to city hall and mayor and now can not find all repeat the same thing. Because, as you understand it? Different mayors as a rule, most often, ba e cotaşi leader, he sometimes has 500-600 acres, which manages them. He am, poor, first go and how to clarify their questions like, then go to see how răluieşte, then must go and see how it gathers. People come not found. Deserves a certificate, a document deserves. And this entire country is like. "
Free Europe: irritated, angry. Apathy. Gheorghe Sarbu: "So people are expected came under new management, it will not be working. Sir, your people are elected, you're a time of eight to 18 hours must be at work, what is not. The mayor and no one is looking. After dinner in Hall's nobody. But there are in all municipalities. Representatives in the territory of the Government, regional offices, should have control, you must call to see where're a. People go to wail. The protest by this absenteeism. So he comes afterwards. "
RFE: Poverty and told if the word indifference?
Gheorghe Sarbu: "Man it is a poor man simply thinks primarily to the daily bread. Worse, if you start poor May May takes glass. They are pretty ugly things today. The reality is cruel enough. Many even in the Republic of Moldova is very sad. "
RFE / RL: Now, that was announced, however, that Parliament will be dissolved following the parliamentary elections, the world will have the same behavior? It's tilted more to the indifference? Or more to participate? Gheorghe Sarbu: "more people will be mobilized. Even the Communist Party will mobilize and convince them to vote and to vote their party, of course. But the democratic parties must now realize that they must convince people, because now no longer go promises. Promises have been. So these four deserves binding ruling parties that are to be together. The second - should think very well for a message, to convince the world. We must also take action against those who are burden on the parties thereto. "
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Moldovans do not like uncertainty and indifference is characteristic suggests Ion Jigau sociologist, director of sociological CBS AXA.
Jigau : "The biggest capital is actually trust. And the peasant thinks primarily of his family and closest relatives. For now, he does not think further. "
RFE / RL: To understand, that I do not care what is around him on his street in his city, his country? Ion Jigau : "This is as Romanian policeman who beat him before Easter, it has not swept in front of the gate was bad. Because it was put to clean and take care. And now it's better not to watch anything. "
RFE / RL: This would explain, in a way, and the indifference of the citizen to go to elections, the referendum? Ion Jigau : "Well, sure. First, attitude dictates this behavior. "I do not believe in anyone." "I'm afraid of uncertainty." "I do not know what the referendum, for so do not go." Unlike our neighbors, Slavs, Russians, for example, are a people explorer, Moldovans are just now exploring our world. Now, after 98, actually started when the large wave of migration. Only now have they started to explore the world. And they got a taste for migration to foreign countries and the new. Until now they not explore anything. Their horizon was more than fair, the neighboring village, the traditions. "
Free Europe: What can cause indifference? Ion Jigau : "The perpetuation of negative processes and phenomena for us in the sense that someone else decide for us. However, Moldovans have another characteristic: they have a so-called long distance to power. I mean, if you're in power, you're somebody. If you lose power, you're nobody. And then, these phenomena will continue to exist in the future. For what is a short to power? That means that I might criticize the authorities, so necessary to do something that I want and do not expect her to me give to charity I do, let us say so rudely. That is, that in fact all the charity expects to power. Well yes, but somewhere should take power to give. So, we must first put in the budget cela something so we can get something there. That is to share with the poor, and those who are powerless. That means responsibility. And not only us but also for the elite, for those who are in power. "
RFE / RL: Mr. Jigau, but it seems that the political class and treated with indifference masses? Ion Jigau : "Well they are a part of ours. How can they be otherwise, if they are psychologically like us. "
RFE / RL: And what should happen? Ion Jigau : "You know, until it thunders, the peasant does not make a cross. Until trăsneşte, until lightning strikes with him, he does not make a cross. I mean, he does not think that we must do something to change the situation. "
Free Europe: And when it thunders, civic consciousness wakes up? Ion Jigau
: "I doubt it, yet. Since it will take, however, must pass a time. From the historical point of view, all I have now passed us in 20 years, very little. And then we have to load the patience to go in time to change the current situation. Do we want to change, first, and then year by year we gain some things that, say, perhaps more quickly than in the West, they have accumulated over the past 300-400 years.
And there is something, besides the peasant mentality. The fact that we are Orthodox. Orthodoxy has not yet appeared in theological disputes, which the West made it three-four-five and even 800 years ago. So, we are lacking in our faith discussions. "
RFE / RL: Mr. Jigau, but this distrust is fueled largely by poverty, which affected virtually the entire Moldovan society? Ion Jigau : "It is primarily fueled by cultural poverty. For a child of a peasant is very rare that you read. I have seen students who have not read a book. Here is the difference between our universities and the U.S.. An American, American student hall is four hours and 20 hours per week, 40 hours per week and is working independently, because he has written many essays, he has done so many work at home, that he barely manages to cope. While ours, after falling out of the auditorium, the auditorium, do nothing. So our schools are good, but our universities are bad. "
Free Europe: situation, as happened in the referendum can be repeated in parliamentary elections? Ion Jigau
: "Anytime, if political elites will not spark interest. Our political elite should learn some lessons. At least some of the promises we make to achieve them. I understand that not all can be achieved. Because there are objective circumstances - a world crisis, economic hardship, other order, economic bottlenecks, embargoes, etc. And then they have some barriers, which hinders them to make promises, but some can do? For example, to improve the justice system to improve order in the country, that I am not afraid to let go of my baby's day out that will be run over by a car, or be robbed of an ordinary thief, etc. These things require material resources. In fact, political elites must have, besides the mind, reason, and political will, soul. And it might do what he promised. "
RFE / RL: So far, the Moldavian rain is doing that. Ion Jigau : "Yes. And yet I think it will last. The mentality is changing very slowly. Must pass several generations and still more political elites. Here are Orthodox. The mentality is changing very hard, very hard. We, in fact, we're back now, after I got out of developed socialism, somewhere far back. I believe that, after thinking, I'm back in the 16th century something. "
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